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In the opinion of each of you readers here, what do you suppose it takes to be a professional in order to be accepted in the world of job opportunities and working for the big name companies (in the art department)? It has been a thought that has been recycling over and over in my brain for the past week or two about what it comes to when recruitment comes into play; I have been told and listened in on professors in the field that it is about confidence, other times about hints of pride to hand over to the recruiters, though there is no talk of grades. I suppose that, in the end, grades are letters that signify how good you have been at specific subjects but not at what you plan to achieve in or be given acceptance into.
Neil Gaiman told us that whatever we wanted to do that there was no plan, but to just do it.
Honestly, that is fine. Very well. With hard work, with determination, with opening our minds to new things and learning from those things we can accomplish our greatest ambitions or at least hop on the road to achieving them; most times, there are changes in the road that take us to our true happy place which turns out to be far more different than our goal before. And that is normal, that is fine, and that is marvelous because it's all about finding achievement in ourselves and our work.
But something that always tends to confuse me or get me so anxious is wondering what kind of background are they looking for in terms of your work. Surely they look for confidence in attitude, but you could not be king of the universe. Be humble without putting yourself down. Be someone they trust, yes? But what of all seriousness?
I must admit, I lack maturity. I lack a lot of maturity as in I curse like a sailor, every post before here has been filled with such jelly-filled words of a whimsical nature that I refuse to ever regret yet realize that the world of seriousness could roll their eyes upon seeing a post filled with such Carol-esque quirk. It is good to be lighthearted and humorous, but not in the midst of those who are looking to hire you in the professional field.
I suppose my fear is of my possible lack of responsibility, though that all sounds most normal; but no privileges nor mercy is given to those that have a hard time speaking or looking in the eye.
What does it take to behave or come off as a "professional"?
What are your thoughts about it all?

Andi
  • Listening to: that air conditioner and how it calls to me.
  • Reading: The Compleat Moonshadow
  • Watching: My sick reflection of the screen o' my Mac.
  • Playing: in my tears due to Adventure Time
  • Eating: fingernails
  • Drinking: milk n' ketchup. Go throw up now.
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MajoAnrod Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Hey! :) I'm a new follower from your art and illustrations, which is pretty amazing. I'm also reading Decembersville (which is.... Jqidjfhjsoqjdhdjdiqoqjdhdiaidhqi that cool and awesome). Normally I surf on the journal's of the artist to see and learn from they thoughts experiences.. These one catch my eye.. And I belief that being a professional is more than just being serious.... Or not fooling around, knowing how to make business. I belied that it is more of behavior :). For example, I'm a Somophore at Graphic Design, I'm really stupid but like REAAALLY when I'm with my buddies (which most are girls because in NY university there are Kore girls.. Soo.. They are my "Gals".. What was I?... Oh yeah) also I LOVE with real passion animated movies. *ejem* Disney *ejem* DreamWorks*ejem* universal *ejem* girl I am such a kid on the inside.. I laughed like hell watching Despicable Me 2, I laughed so hard at the Hyenas of the Lion King (which... In Latin Spanish are HILARIOUS...) I also know some of the dialogs from the movies (but that's a different story).. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY XD.... Being professional.. With a boss, a client, a homework, a project, whatever form the "adult world" (let's put it that way) is being committed to what you are doing..
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MajoAnrod Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Student General Artist
(This thing cuted my inspiration -w-U.) Being responsible, having deadlines, be able to do things before time. It's actually really worth it. By two reasons, 1. You work amazingly fine, and the boss or client or who ever will speak wonders of your job..
2. In university I'm always trying to have everything done before due date.. It's the best feeling I ever had.. No stress literally.
Some people say that if you are immature then you are not professional. And here's where I say.. Depending of how you respond to certain situations is the way of how mature or childish you are going to act. You can be silly or a clown with your co workers but if you are committed to your job and goals... I think you are more than a professional :). I have a job at jewelry. We design them, and it's amazing how deep and neat it is. I always try to work fast and good at least two pieces a day but it's too exhausting for me TwT and sometimes complex. (Depending on the ring, bracelate, or whatever the costumer wants)

If you can be yourself, behaving properly.. I think you are already on the side of professionalism :).


That's what I think :'D
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SunflowerInTheRain Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
It's definitely your work they're going to look at, and they will look at you but as long as you get the work done and it's quality, that's what matters. Many a artist have never gotten their "masters" in art and have gone onto a successful art career. If grades make you happy or will open a door for you, say, a scholarship, then go for it!
As for me, it actually was my grades that kept me out of a art high-school. But later on I found out, grades at that school were pure politics. Then I found out a girl from my middle school class got in instead of me because her mom knew someone working in the school, and this girl just happened to take a interest in art maybe five months before we graduated middle school, and her big art project in our art class was a collage. A COLLAGE. She didn't even make the images she used in her project. She got an A for effort sure, but when it comes to someone who's dedicated their entire life to art versus someone who treats art like some kind of cool thing to het into because it'll make them look all "artsy" who just happens to have better grades in core subjects like math?
You're definitely going to want to work with people who value your work like the talent that it is, and respect you for the ability you have. Rather than someone who values face value over anything else.
And the truth is, about that school I didn't get into, I don't regret it. At the high-school I ended up attending, I met my best friend, and people I otherwise would not have met, and found meaning there while avoiding the politics of grades I would have been burdened with at the other school.
I talked with friends who did end up going there, and they.said there was so much emphasis on grades, the work and art wasn't even enjoyable. They were tearing out their hair during already stressful parts of their adolescent lives.
Just remember this, when they were making the Alien movie, they didn't pick Giger for his grades as the Creator of there soon to be iconic monster. They picked him for his work. It was quality, and it was just what they were searching for.
Education is good and vital, but education does not always mean grades, either. And it's about finding your niche as well within the world of art.
You'll do fine, don't worry. :)
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Ayior Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
You don't know me and I haven't known you - But from that sight so far, I see what image you are carrying atm (its a pretty obvious one)
I read this journal because I thought something else but personal content would be in there, but I noticed how intelligent you express yourself here, that's also kinda what I wanted to say. You wrote down what I want to achieve in the English language and don't know how (because its not my first language.)
Wish I could read more of that, do you know any good books at this level?
If you wonder about maturing, when I compare my first impression of you with this journal, I think you could let down your... man you described your usual writing style and I don't know half of the words but it sounds perfect o.o I feel so dumb in English. Don't know enough to express myself. Anyways, let down your usual writing style cover, staying "true" like you seem here and you would seem way more mature, without loosing any of your eccentricity/your self.
I'd say professionality comes with experience, which is not expected from you when you hit the business (I just had a job interview yesterday just being myself and it worked out) If you being "normal" results in such language, I wouldn't doubt you being convincing. Nother experience: Trying to adapt your works to something makes them seem less deep or realistic. You probably/maybe are a realistic person (can't say, you're text on a screen at the moment) so if you make your works completely yourself they'll also be completely realistic.

Okay, random stalking person off.
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KiriHearts Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
I believe it's a willingness to put professionalism or whatever in front of your personal life, your personality, your opinions, whatever. Don't ever get rid of who you are, but realize that people are kind of not going to be interested. They'll look more at what you do.

I think there's a lot of lying involved too. You may hate every second you spend talking to people, and you may dread every phone call you make (lolhi), and looking someone in the eye for a whole interview may be a huge fracking deal to you, but they don't have to know that.

I'm not really a professional yet, but yeah. :heart: I believe in you!
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CelesOran Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
1)Dress for the job that you want
2)treat others the way that you would want to be treated
3)when it comes to public speaking talk loud enough so that if someone was standing in the back of the room they could hear you (just don't shout or yell) just by having a strong voice you come off as someone who knows what they are talking about even if you don't what you are talking about
4)If you forget what to say, just don't say anything, pause, regain your thought and then continue on talking.... it's sounds a hell of a lot better to the person listening than hearing a bunch of hummmmm and aahhhhhs... or damns
5)go with what you are good at, if color is what you are best at show them that or if it is inking show them that, use your skills to your advantage
6)be yourself.... and remember not everyone is going to like you, that's just the real world. Just forget about that person and move on
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FakeKraid Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I can't speak for the art world in particular, but duplicity is very important. You have to hide your real self away from potential employers and present a false front that is 'normal', and you have to sell them on it. You have to make them think that you have no further ambitions in life than to be useful toward their ends, and when they look online they have to find no evidence to the contrary. Make a secondary deviantART page to put normal professional stuff on. If you're on Facebook, do the same, and hide your main account to non-friends.

I hate to say all of this, but in this job market it simply is not a good time to be a unique, interesting person. To stand a chance you have to not stand out in any way but your credentials. I wish you the best.
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KumoSama Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
From my point of view and what a lot of colleges tell me, grades are just something you need to get past the juridical stuff. Off here in Sweden, what really matters is what you can do and present rather than your grades... However, this is also based on the fact that teachers just tend to throw out as many A's as they can in regards of grades just so they can bring out their reputation without actually earning it.

I think the qualities of a professional is something to be developed over time through experience and knowledge within the line you keep yourself to regarding career- but if one needs some form of instant guide... I suppose that being uptight and serious as an artist of any kind can be seen as a horrible quality if that's all there is to it, I think it's about having but a dash of it along with your own personal charm? This is a really difficult question, Andi, gosh! :XD:
In the end, the most important thing is probably about being adaptable; varying how you act based upon who you are around. And if you don't know what they are okay with, snoop around to find out and adapt a bit more. It's... Jeez, it's tricky! I get why it makes you nervous... You aren't the only one.
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Secretsister16 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Student Artist
It sounds like you figured it out in this journal: Be mature, be open for ideas, and I say be passionate. Show them you really wanna work whereever it is you want to work. So them your talent and your confidence.
You're an extremely talented person Andi Spyral. You'll get there. Just believe.
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frisca-freak Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Student General Artist
I don't really know what it takes to be professional, other than just show you're up for the job... I mean, when volunteered for stuff it was basically "Show a portfolio showing the stuff you can do and different styles".

As far as what people might be looking for, just that you're dependable and you can work with a deadline. You might have to find a way to prove that though, somehow.

Just... learn. You've already taken that step by going to an animation college yes! Learn about what you want to do, different ways to do it and how to do it your own way. I guess the more you do stuff, the more people will want you to do stuff.

But you know, Andi, being a wacky person doesn't make you less 'hirable' or anything like that! On the contrary, especially in an artistic workfield, they look for people who have personality. What kind of an artist would you be if you couldn't think differently, or imagine? What kind of an artist would you be if you were just completly stiff and void of emotion?

I don't see how your whimsy swearing could hurt your chances at all. If anything they made you stand out as an odd but lovable personality, and it somehow also related you to your stories, if that makes sense?

Basically, you don't have to act 'more professional'. You could always better yourself yes, like... if you have procrastination problems, try to overcome them, if you can't work with other people, try to overcome that too. But you don't have to change your personality itself- just as long as you are fair to others and yourself, and just as long as you have something to offer to the world, then you're good.

I know this sounds a bit too optimitic but it does work! I can tell you that in cartooning, illustration and caricaturing, they want someone dependable and determined.

You can trust me on this: you have to learn to deal with rejections because they do happen, and they happen often. But you have to keep trying, and you have to keep working hard.

I can tell you this one bit of advice though- a cartoonist showed me something yes, that a person once while presenting their portfolio went "oh, that's not very good." when someone was leafing through a project he was working on. The person immediately skipped past the project. Never bring yourself down or say that something isn't good enough if you're looking for a job. Because to them, if you think something isn't very good, then it's not worth checking out.

Finally, try to understand WHY you're doing what you want to do. Is it because you just like it? Are you trying to get a message across? For money? to entertain? Or heck, for all of the above? All are okay reasons, but you need a reason. And have a reason as to why it should be YOU.

And... I think that's it.

I hope I didn't ramble too much. Sorry. .u."
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